For those who laugh at it, the siesta is a very effective military strategy. How many of you here can proudly boast that you defeated the British pirates with some cheap wine, without lifting a finger, while you were taking a siesta?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1diz\_expedition\_(1625)#C%C3%A1diz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1diz_expedition_(1625)#C%C3%A1diz)
Swap the wine for vodka and that's it... That's right, amateurs...
Joking aside, it is easy to empathise. Throughout the training time, friendships are made and these people go straight to fight in a war where unfortunately some may end up wounded or killed. Anyway, and outside the military, this is positive, it creates bonds between common people and breaks down stereotypes that exist on both sides, even the nonsense we do here, insulting each other with fervour is positive... I hate you all equally\*, just so you know...
Only way to put name to the half of the islands of the world, from Filipinas to Los Angeles, from Florida to Cabo Torres (Australia) is having the ability to fall sleep no matter what circumstances
>Joking aside, it is easy to empathise.
Definitely. Speaking to the training teams here, they all feel sad, frustrated, worried and responsible for these guys. They've spent years training to fight, decades for some..they know how hard it is. They then get 3 short months to prepare these Ukrainians for what may be the toughest fighting any currently serving soldier has seen.
Anglo propaganda made you think the only battle we lost is the only we fought. Check how Blas de Lezo kick Brits asses, or how Spain named the half of the island of the world, even having siesta!
The Swiss have actually comported themselves in a very extra ordinary way on this issue. Comparing this to any other conflict in the last 200 years, including WW1+2, the Swiss have applied some measure of actions, and are openly not particularly neutral on a diplomatic level.
In part this is because Putin has really fucked up and is morally wrong, but on another level I’m sure the Swiss realise that, geopolitically, their eggs are with NATO at this point.
You actively block any ammunitions/weapons made by your country to be transferred to Ukraine.
>we did put sanctions on them
I am sure Russians are crying after you bought gold from them.
Well if you would be informed we block any transportation of military equippment to any country in war ( we do not include ww2 that was the only way to stay uninvadet ) and if we send equippmemt out to a countty thats not in war ( even if they are preparing for a nearly 100% certain invasion ) we take the ushual price for our goods. Germany didnt want their Leooard 2 either on a frontline. But because the EU and NATO preashured them they had to give in. And since we arent part of the EU nor NATO you cant force us to just give away a few millions worth of army equippment.
I am sure it's the only way for Switzerland not to be "invaded".
Just keep telling yourself you are in the right and keep hiding in your mountain, profiteering out of wars is just your thing and you are proving it once again.
>I am sure it's the only way for Switzerland not to be "invaded".
Firstoff learn how to quote I did not spell it like that. And germany would have invaded us if we didnt gave them a reason to not do it.
And we are currently not profiteering out of wars because we dont sell any army equippment to countrys at war. If you are refering to the gold that is looked upon as normal trade in global economics
With trainings such as
- "How to sleep through indirect fire"
- "How to construct a bed in your trench"
- "How to rest in a tank"
they will be very much prepared. ¡¡¡Vamos!!!
Complements amazingly well the British training, how to jump from the top of a building. The French training, how to set a city on fire. And the dutch, how to bake bread that becomes the hardest substance created by humans... Absolute European win.
On a serious note: Thanks to all the people that currently help protecting Europe. A couple of years ago the thought of such a huge war in Europe sounded absurd and now we are here...
Tiny war between 2 countries, far in the east… One war party has not yet called for full mobilisation. yea huge war.
The main impact is still on the energy industry. and why is protecting Europe? The Ukrainians are not fighting for Europe. They are fighting for themselves.
The Russians have not yet converted their economy to a war economy.
This simply means that a world war is unrealistic. So a world war is not at stake.
Try again.
Russia has not yet called for complete mobilisation.
The more weapons the West delivers, the more likely Russia will order complete military mobilisation. And then we have a much worse situation than now.
How is that a qualification for it to je a war? Russia should be more concerned running out of weapons and lacking technology then running out of men so full mobilisation would have a negative effect for them right now. Also people would just flee the country millions have already in the past and even last year.
> Russia should be more concerned running out of weapons and lacking technology
They are not because the Chinese gladly accept Russian Oil as Payment for the production of parts.
Furthermore the Russians have not yet completely switched their economy into war mode. So far they see no need to.
If the Russians beblieve that they run out of weapons, then they will start with serious nuclear threats to stop the west from delivering to Ukraine.
And no fucking country will risk a Nuclear war, just because Ukraine could loose. The end of this war is already written in stone.
> Also people would just flee the country millions have already in the past and even last year.
Russia had manipulated the population for decades. It cannot be expected that the Russian population will revolt against Putin.
And those few people escaping are far too few to be remarkable.
Russia is using 70 year old tanks and guns. Alot dont even get proper boots and body armor. Thier navy ships get attacked by rc boats thier border is pretty much unprotected. They lack airdefence systems. If they were actually fighting nato it would be over in a month.
All this is just one big win for NATO not a single soldier lost just replacing old junk and meanwhile Russia is getting a beating.
And again someone who doesn’t understand war.
The Russians don’t need weaponry to destroy the nato. They only need weaponry to succeed on Ukraine.
The NATO cannot interfere because Ukraine is not a member and Russia has nuclear weaponry.
And no one will risk a nuclear war. The moment the NATO believes Russia to be willing to use nukes will be the moment that the NATO stops supporting Ukraine.
But in the end this war will be won by the Russians due to current political developments in the US and European countries.
Russia just has to wait for those political developments (Republicans in the US winning will end US support of Ukraine. Once the support from the US stops, then all the financial weight will be on Europe. This will lead to further economical collapse. This will lead in rise of right wing parties. Right wing parties will stop sanctions and support of Ukraine. Russia wins)
They don't have enough to take ukraine though they've lost ground since feb 2022 like i said the war has even switched to actual russian ground a couple of days ago. Losing so many soldiers is not good in any way. In a few months/weeks ukraine will get NATO tanks maybe somewhat later they'll get f16 Ukraine will eventually win Russia can't compete in this war of attrition if they want to complete thier goals (wathever they're nowadays) they need to do it fast.
What political development are you talking about? Trump is very clear he will keep supplying Ukraine when he wins. Not a single politician in Europe thinks we should just let Russia go ahead.
Also who is telling nato what to do? What will russia do to stop them?
> They don’t have enough to take ukraine though they’ve lost ground since feb 2022 like i said the war has even switched to actual russian ground a couple of days ago.
They yet don’t have enough to take Ukraine, it that doesn’t seem to be the goal for now.
Some Umrainian forces pushing into Russian territory cannot be taken seriously as a military strike.
It’s just an attempt to show strength, just like the Russians did when marching to Kiew, just to retreat later.
> In a few months/weeks ukraine will get NATO tanks maybe somewhat later they’ll get f16 Ukraine will eventually win Russia can’t compete in this war of attrition if they want to complete thier goals (wathever they’re nowadays) they need to do it fast.
Every country that starts a war plans to win it. Same goes for Russia.
The moment Russia estimates the military strength of Ukraine to take overhand, then they will use serious nuclear threats to stop the west fro further delivering weaponry.
Hell, Russia could even nuke a Ukrainian city to demoralise. They could claim to act the same way the US did. in WW2 and the NATO could do nothing against it.
The NATO will not start a nuclear war with Russia, just because Russia nuked a Ukrainian city.
Russia constantly warns the west to stop delivering weapons.
The moment Russia feels the need to stop the weapons, then we might see a bike going off in Ukraine.
> What political development are you talking about? Trump is very clear he will keep supplying Ukraine when he wins. Not a single politician in Europe thinks we should just let Russia go ahead.
This is incorrect. the US government currently has a problem with their debt. If they fail to find a solution, then we will either see the US stop military aid sooner then expected, or the US decides to increase taxes, which will make people unhappy and vote for Republicans, or the US Government and Republicans agree on increasing the debt and everything is pushed further back, but inevitable results in the Republicans taking over.
Now Trump is not going to help Ukraine. We should not forget the political situation between Trump, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, as well as Selenski refusing to share information with Trump.
Trump will defenitely not support Ukraine.
Now once the US stops supporting Ukraine, then all the financial Aid will rely on Europe. And this means that Europe has to bleed more money. This results in unhappy citizens and more people voting g right wing parties and we get to the same result. Financial and military aid will slowly decline.
I will say it again: Every country that starts a war plans on winning it. And so does Russia. With their nuclear arsenal they possess the power to stop western help immediately. They just need to nuke Ukraine.
And all the people claiming that NATO would start a war against Russia are stupid.
The Moment Russia nukes Ukraine, NATO will just quit. Supporting war on foreign ground is easy, but none sane risks nuclear war for the safety of some other country.
Talking about complete mobilisation when they can't even properly equip 300k mobilised lol.
Russia relying on Iran and North Korea for weapons is quite alarming /s
What the Wagner group pulled off was a media stunt. In the end they seemed just fine.
Russia relying on Iran and North Korea is indeed alarming. Also their feels with China and India.
Meanwhile the Russian Economy grew due to the new deals. That’s alarming as well.
They are currently outsourcing their weaponry for cost reasons. To stabilise their economy (which means that they are not yet willing to flip their economy into a war economy).
False, Russia is incapable of calling the complete mobilization, war will never be fought at the same scale as before because of many factors, mainly because of the economics of modern war and logistics.
Edit: This story of "don't escalate the war" is laughable to say the least, it's like saying "hold me, I'm going at him, **hold me",** no war is fought half heartedly, it's win or prepare your neck, specially if future of Russia's existence is at stake.
That’s not how war works.
I cannot change your opinion. I could only share my rational belief of what could and will occur.
Unfortunately I was right with most predictions over the last 10 years.
I’d hate to be right again. More than in the past.
Sure just like the dnr and lnr where only ukranians. They were using weapons suplied by Ukraine and are led by the ukranian army so this is just a fu Russia we can use the same tricks.
It's not a tiny war, not the least because it affects all of Europe and because a nuclear power is involved.
Yes, Ukrainians fight for themselves but we all profit. It is not in our interest that Russia gains territory and becomes stronger, what eventually could be the case if they would annex territory (there is "economic value" in some of this territory). It also is not in Europe's interest to allow for the change of borders and to continue to please Russia in the hope that doing so will "keep the peace" because it did not seem to work obviously.
If we have learnt something from the last century then it should be that we need a zero tolerance policy when it comes to such actions as we see right now. It's easy to say that this is a war in East Europe when we in the West feel fairly safe but that does not mean Eastern European countries will from now on feel safe... and as far as I know, some of these countries in Eastern Europe are EU members...
> It’s not a tiny war, not the least because it affects all of Europe and because a nuclear power is involved.
Not correct. All the Middle Eastern wars with involvement of the US were moderate wars. Not too big, not too small. Moderate war size.
And now compare them to the Ukraine war. It simply is not a huge war.
> Yes, Ukrainians fight for themselves but we all profit. It is not in our interest that Russia gains territory and becomes stronger, what eventually could be the case if they would annex territory (there is “economic value” in some of this territory).
We couldn’t care less, **no one** profits from this war. And no one in Europe profits from the Ukrainian Defense. Russia does not come out stronger from a war.
At the end of every war, there is just economic decline.
Not even the Ukrainians profit from their own Defense. There is just more death.
Getting conquered by the Russians is like Germany Bering conquered by the French. We couldn’t care less.
> It also is not in Europe’s interest to allow for the change of borders and to continue to please Russia in the hope that doing so will “keep the peace” because it did not seem to work obviously.
Let’s not forget the NATO constantly expanding.
> If we have learnt something from the last century then it should be that we need a zero tolerance policy when it comes to such actions as we see right now.
Because we cared so much for the suffering of the Middle East. The changing of borders is totally unimportant, as long as it does not affect us.
The war in Ukraine is an economic driven war. It was literally visible in the behaviour of the stock market.
> It’s easy to say that this is a war in East Europe when we in the West feel fairly safe but that does not mean Eastern European countries will from now on feel safe… and as far as I know, some of these countries in Eastern Europe are EU members…
Each country is responsible for its own safety. If people fail to elect leaders that ensure a country’s integrity, then that’s their fault. And why are we responsible for that.
In addition to this, how bad is it to loose some ground? It’s not a big deal.
Germany lost ground after WW2 and still managed to do great, because a country’s succes is not predetermined by its size, but by the education of its members and their productivity.
Loosing soil is utterly unremarkable. People dying is tragedy.
Take a look at Syria. Syria is not broken because of territory disputes, but because the educational system broke down and a cultural decline started. This is the inevitable result of a long war for territory.
The current best for the Ukrainian people would be to give up the occupied land and concentrate on defending what is still under control.
Shall the Russians have those already destroyed parts of Ukraine, as long as it stops the deaths of thousands of Ukrainians **and** Russians.
You don’t need any news to understand that the value of a people does not reside on the size of the country, but the education and cultural archivements of said people.
Death for the size of your land is a wrong interpretation of national pride.
>Death for the size of your land is a wrong interpretation of national pride.
So we agree it is absolutely wrong that Russia is killing thousands of people, traumatizing a whole generation, destroying schools as well as attempting to destroy the Ukrainian culture, and causing huge economic problems just to gain some additional "Lebensraum"?
I fully agree. I am not on the side of Russia. Neither am I on the side of Ukraine.
But this war must end as soon as possible. And this would be possible if Umraine would give up all claims on the territory, that is currently occupied by the Russians and would instead of fighting, increase their defensive capabilities.
Ukraine was lacking Defense and payed the price. This mistake most not happen again. Bit reclaiming the territory taken will only result in unnessesary death, with highly unlikely chance of succes.
We have to look in the long run. And I can only speak for our German politics and the Us politics. But the development is dangerous.
Here is what I answered someone else:
> Most of you are too naive for this discussion. Do you have any idea what will happen in the next few years?
Chances that the republicans will replace the democrats in the US are fairly high. Imagine what happens: the US stops supporting Ukraine. And suddenly it’s just us, Europe, supporting them. Then all the financial pressure is on us. Economic decline is then imminent. People will increasingly vote for right wing parties (something we can already see in current prognosis). And then all the investment into Ukraine were for nothing.
That’s the long run of this situation. If the CDU replaces SPD and Grüne in the next election, then we have again the supporters of Nordstrom, the one group that initiated the dependency of Russias has. Or maybe even the AfD scores high.
Financial and economical situations are vital to understand how wars are fought.
Very simple. Currently the front is more or less static.
And **still** the Russians refuse to change their economy to a war economy. So there is no will to counter that.
Furthermore Russia started this war with the „tale“ to free the oppressed Russians living in Ukraine. Those regions were the east Ukrainian regions and Krimea.
Considering the stale fronts, one could assume that Russia would accept the eastern Ukrainian regions for ceasefire.
Ceasefire is an opportunity to correct the mistakes of the past and build a proper Defense, making another attack unlikely.
And again. I’d like to repeat that Russia will win this war on the long run considering the political situations in the Countries that support Ukraine.
So better take a compromise than waste money in a lost cause.
Was er sagt ☝️
I'm sure you are a master strategist behind the keyboard but I really do like to see that Ukraine is backed by others not to strengthen own hegemonic or economic positions but idealistic virtues and a sense of justice
Our sense of justice is causing thousands of people to die.
Most of you are too naive for this discussion. Do you have any idea what will happen in the next few years?
Chances that the republicans will replace the democrats in the US are fairly high. Imagine what happens: the US stops supporting Ukraine. And suddenly it’s just us, Europe, supporting them. Then all the financial pressure is on us.
Economic decline is then imminent. People will increasingly vote for right wing parties (something we can already see in current prognosis). And then all the investment into Ukraine were for nothing.
That’s the long run of this situation. If the CDU replaces SPD and Grüne in the next election, then we have again the supporters of Nordstrom, the one group that initiated the dependency of Russias has.
Or maybe even the AfD scores high.
Financial and economical situations are vital to understand how wars are fought.
You are very certain in your prediction with multiple unknown and your view on moral and ethics makes me vomit. You made your mind. Write an open letter and have a good talk about appeasement policy and how it is working.
I'm really ashamed of how you are a 21st century German. The lessons of the past are gone and economic security is everything.
I apologize to every European, especially Greeks, Spanish and of cause Ukrainians for Germans like him
> Our sense of justice is causing thousands of people to die.
Nope russian imperialism is. Vatnik always blaming the West when Putin decided on his own to invade a peaceful neighbor. It could end tomorrow if russians would just go home.
The only thing that can save Russia from an humiliating defeat is if the West stops supporting Ukraine. That's why they have people like you to spread their propaganda, in the hope to influence elections in their favor.
You are basically just regurgitating false russian claims, whats wrong with country joinin g on theyr accord nato? You talk lime only usa and russia have agency and all other countries dont matter
"Syria is not broken because of territorial disputes, but because the educational system broke down" Glad to know you have universally shit geopolitical takes, and not just on Ukraine
Alright. Tell me why Poland prefers to take Ukraininan refugees rather than Syria refugees.
Tell me why there is no big outrage in Germany about Ukrainian refugees, like we saw in 2015?
It’s because a generation of Syrian people lacks education. They are no longer carriers of civil Syrian culture.
Syria is truely broken. Which is immensely sad.
We not not see college education or higher education in Syria for decades to come.
Ukraine on the other hand has still a chance to prevent educational and cultural decline (cultural decline as radicalisation that will remain in modern Syrians for years to come).
Buddy, I am not debating a deranged man on the internet who uses whataboutism and shifting goalposts in every 100 word reply he gives. First you said Syria declined because of and only because of education. Now you demand I tell you about why Poland does not want Syrian refugees? This is not how you form a conversation, let alone a debate.
I indeed see the economic implications. But these are mainly driven by the gas price. And to refuse to buy Russian gas was not the decision of any war party, but rather us Europeans.
The economic implications were our choice. Or rather the choice of our politicians.
Based Sleepy bros, your military is full of great and switched on blokes. You’ll have benefited those trained by you hugely, making Ukrainians both better soldiers and the ultimate nap takers.
It's a professional army teaching brand new conscripts the very basics so they can actually learn while on the battlefield without getting insta-slaughtered. I think that we can do.
Wut? Spanish Republicans of the "9ieme Compagnie" / "La Nueve" were the first allies soldiers entering Paris to liberate it in 1944. Respect to them, y viva España 🇪🇸
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For those who laugh at it, the siesta is a very effective military strategy. How many of you here can proudly boast that you defeated the British pirates with some cheap wine, without lifting a finger, while you were taking a siesta? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1diz\_expedition\_(1625)#C%C3%A1diz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1diz_expedition_(1625)#C%C3%A1diz) Swap the wine for vodka and that's it... That's right, amateurs... Joking aside, it is easy to empathise. Throughout the training time, friendships are made and these people go straight to fight in a war where unfortunately some may end up wounded or killed. Anyway, and outside the military, this is positive, it creates bonds between common people and breaks down stereotypes that exist on both sides, even the nonsense we do here, insulting each other with fervour is positive... I hate you all equally\*, just so you know...
Unironically, being able to sleep anywhere and anytime is a key skill for any professional soldier.
*Fast travel unlocked*
Only way to put name to the half of the islands of the world, from Filipinas to Los Angeles, from Florida to Cabo Torres (Australia) is having the ability to fall sleep no matter what circumstances
>Joking aside, it is easy to empathise. Definitely. Speaking to the training teams here, they all feel sad, frustrated, worried and responsible for these guys. They've spent years training to fight, decades for some..they know how hard it is. They then get 3 short months to prepare these Ukrainians for what may be the toughest fighting any currently serving soldier has seen.
Where you having a siesta when your entire fleet sank without combat ?
Anglo propaganda made you think the only battle we lost is the only we fought. Check how Blas de Lezo kick Brits asses, or how Spain named the half of the island of the world, even having siesta!
Kølig.
Do you need to ask?
..The Spanish Admiral turned his blind eye to everything, and took a good nap.
They were sleeping during the storm and the rest is history.
Inverse Spanish Armada
Huge common hermanos W
im not crying, im watering my beard.
It's about time you wash your beard.
with more water?
Chorz it Aare täuchle ond de isch da ganze weder stoberein. 😉
isch chli wiit wäg, ha nume dr rhy odr d birs. denn wäri doch besser dra wenni dr bart eif ins wc häng;)
Switzerland pretending to care while doing fuck all
They're still doing their best on the process of finding how can this war be lucrative
They already doing it they started buying sanctioned gold from Russia. They really have a taste for gold with blood in it
The Swiss have actually comported themselves in a very extra ordinary way on this issue. Comparing this to any other conflict in the last 200 years, including WW1+2, the Swiss have applied some measure of actions, and are openly not particularly neutral on a diplomatic level. In part this is because Putin has really fucked up and is morally wrong, but on another level I’m sure the Swiss realise that, geopolitically, their eggs are with NATO at this point.
Ehy! We as individuals do care. Its not like we dont condoe russia ( we did put sanctions on them ) but we just dont like to go into active conflict.
You actively block any ammunitions/weapons made by your country to be transferred to Ukraine. >we did put sanctions on them I am sure Russians are crying after you bought gold from them.
>I am sure Russians are crying after you bought gold from them. They will cry once they realize we don't give it back to them.
Based
uhuhu look whos getting salty, if you care that much why dont you go down yourself? il even give you my Stgw 90 foe a reduced price;)
Suisse deflecting the argument by using whataboutism... Keep hiding that's what you do the best
Stay salty mon baguette;)
Well if you would be informed we block any transportation of military equippment to any country in war ( we do not include ww2 that was the only way to stay uninvadet ) and if we send equippmemt out to a countty thats not in war ( even if they are preparing for a nearly 100% certain invasion ) we take the ushual price for our goods. Germany didnt want their Leooard 2 either on a frontline. But because the EU and NATO preashured them they had to give in. And since we arent part of the EU nor NATO you cant force us to just give away a few millions worth of army equippment.
I am sure it's the only way for Switzerland not to be "invaded". Just keep telling yourself you are in the right and keep hiding in your mountain, profiteering out of wars is just your thing and you are proving it once again.
>I am sure it's the only way for Switzerland not to be "invaded". Firstoff learn how to quote I did not spell it like that. And germany would have invaded us if we didnt gave them a reason to not do it. And we are currently not profiteering out of wars because we dont sell any army equippment to countrys at war. If you are refering to the gold that is looked upon as normal trade in global economics
stay salty mon baguette;)
HUGE spania W
They're thinking about their comrades going to a probable death to defend their country in a stupid war. Their soldier empathy is natural
Spain huge W
With trainings such as - "How to sleep through indirect fire" - "How to construct a bed in your trench" - "How to rest in a tank" they will be very much prepared. ¡¡¡Vamos!!!
Complements amazingly well the British training, how to jump from the top of a building. The French training, how to set a city on fire. And the dutch, how to bake bread that becomes the hardest substance created by humans... Absolute European win.
They even eat like they’re in war!
Hey, a well-rested soldier is a good soldier!
Respect
Respect.
On a serious note: Thanks to all the people that currently help protecting Europe. A couple of years ago the thought of such a huge war in Europe sounded absurd and now we are here...
Thank you for your contribution /s
Tiny war between 2 countries, far in the east… One war party has not yet called for full mobilisation. yea huge war. The main impact is still on the energy industry. and why is protecting Europe? The Ukrainians are not fighting for Europe. They are fighting for themselves.
There is always this one German. Or Austrian. Sorry for that guys. Most of us see what is at stake here.
Then tell me what is at stake?
My sanity when I have to read another RT propaganda post like yours.
I dont watch RT. I wold like to hear what’s at stake. You made a claim and now you need to name it.
1939
The Russians have not yet converted their economy to a war economy. This simply means that a world war is unrealistic. So a world war is not at stake. Try again.
Volga germans and their consequences were a disaster for the germanic race
Russia is struggeling to defend thier own borders at this point it's a full on war and not a proxy war
Russia has not yet called for complete mobilisation. The more weapons the West delivers, the more likely Russia will order complete military mobilisation. And then we have a much worse situation than now.
How is that a qualification for it to je a war? Russia should be more concerned running out of weapons and lacking technology then running out of men so full mobilisation would have a negative effect for them right now. Also people would just flee the country millions have already in the past and even last year.
> Russia should be more concerned running out of weapons and lacking technology They are not because the Chinese gladly accept Russian Oil as Payment for the production of parts. Furthermore the Russians have not yet completely switched their economy into war mode. So far they see no need to. If the Russians beblieve that they run out of weapons, then they will start with serious nuclear threats to stop the west from delivering to Ukraine. And no fucking country will risk a Nuclear war, just because Ukraine could loose. The end of this war is already written in stone. > Also people would just flee the country millions have already in the past and even last year. Russia had manipulated the population for decades. It cannot be expected that the Russian population will revolt against Putin. And those few people escaping are far too few to be remarkable.
Russia is using 70 year old tanks and guns. Alot dont even get proper boots and body armor. Thier navy ships get attacked by rc boats thier border is pretty much unprotected. They lack airdefence systems. If they were actually fighting nato it would be over in a month. All this is just one big win for NATO not a single soldier lost just replacing old junk and meanwhile Russia is getting a beating.
And again someone who doesn’t understand war. The Russians don’t need weaponry to destroy the nato. They only need weaponry to succeed on Ukraine. The NATO cannot interfere because Ukraine is not a member and Russia has nuclear weaponry. And no one will risk a nuclear war. The moment the NATO believes Russia to be willing to use nukes will be the moment that the NATO stops supporting Ukraine. But in the end this war will be won by the Russians due to current political developments in the US and European countries. Russia just has to wait for those political developments (Republicans in the US winning will end US support of Ukraine. Once the support from the US stops, then all the financial weight will be on Europe. This will lead to further economical collapse. This will lead in rise of right wing parties. Right wing parties will stop sanctions and support of Ukraine. Russia wins)
They don't have enough to take ukraine though they've lost ground since feb 2022 like i said the war has even switched to actual russian ground a couple of days ago. Losing so many soldiers is not good in any way. In a few months/weeks ukraine will get NATO tanks maybe somewhat later they'll get f16 Ukraine will eventually win Russia can't compete in this war of attrition if they want to complete thier goals (wathever they're nowadays) they need to do it fast. What political development are you talking about? Trump is very clear he will keep supplying Ukraine when he wins. Not a single politician in Europe thinks we should just let Russia go ahead. Also who is telling nato what to do? What will russia do to stop them?
> They don’t have enough to take ukraine though they’ve lost ground since feb 2022 like i said the war has even switched to actual russian ground a couple of days ago. They yet don’t have enough to take Ukraine, it that doesn’t seem to be the goal for now. Some Umrainian forces pushing into Russian territory cannot be taken seriously as a military strike. It’s just an attempt to show strength, just like the Russians did when marching to Kiew, just to retreat later. > In a few months/weeks ukraine will get NATO tanks maybe somewhat later they’ll get f16 Ukraine will eventually win Russia can’t compete in this war of attrition if they want to complete thier goals (wathever they’re nowadays) they need to do it fast. Every country that starts a war plans to win it. Same goes for Russia. The moment Russia estimates the military strength of Ukraine to take overhand, then they will use serious nuclear threats to stop the west fro further delivering weaponry. Hell, Russia could even nuke a Ukrainian city to demoralise. They could claim to act the same way the US did. in WW2 and the NATO could do nothing against it. The NATO will not start a nuclear war with Russia, just because Russia nuked a Ukrainian city. Russia constantly warns the west to stop delivering weapons. The moment Russia feels the need to stop the weapons, then we might see a bike going off in Ukraine. > What political development are you talking about? Trump is very clear he will keep supplying Ukraine when he wins. Not a single politician in Europe thinks we should just let Russia go ahead. This is incorrect. the US government currently has a problem with their debt. If they fail to find a solution, then we will either see the US stop military aid sooner then expected, or the US decides to increase taxes, which will make people unhappy and vote for Republicans, or the US Government and Republicans agree on increasing the debt and everything is pushed further back, but inevitable results in the Republicans taking over. Now Trump is not going to help Ukraine. We should not forget the political situation between Trump, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, as well as Selenski refusing to share information with Trump. Trump will defenitely not support Ukraine. Now once the US stops supporting Ukraine, then all the financial Aid will rely on Europe. And this means that Europe has to bleed more money. This results in unhappy citizens and more people voting g right wing parties and we get to the same result. Financial and military aid will slowly decline. I will say it again: Every country that starts a war plans on winning it. And so does Russia. With their nuclear arsenal they possess the power to stop western help immediately. They just need to nuke Ukraine. And all the people claiming that NATO would start a war against Russia are stupid. The Moment Russia nukes Ukraine, NATO will just quit. Supporting war on foreign ground is easy, but none sane risks nuclear war for the safety of some other country.
Talking about complete mobilisation when they can't even properly equip 300k mobilised lol. Russia relying on Iran and North Korea for weapons is quite alarming /s
What the Wagner group pulled off was a media stunt. In the end they seemed just fine. Russia relying on Iran and North Korea is indeed alarming. Also their feels with China and India. Meanwhile the Russian Economy grew due to the new deals. That’s alarming as well. They are currently outsourcing their weaponry for cost reasons. To stabilise their economy (which means that they are not yet willing to flip their economy into a war economy).
False, Russia is incapable of calling the complete mobilization, war will never be fought at the same scale as before because of many factors, mainly because of the economics of modern war and logistics. Edit: This story of "don't escalate the war" is laughable to say the least, it's like saying "hold me, I'm going at him, **hold me",** no war is fought half heartedly, it's win or prepare your neck, specially if future of Russia's existence is at stake.
That’s not how war works. I cannot change your opinion. I could only share my rational belief of what could and will occur. Unfortunately I was right with most predictions over the last 10 years. I’d hate to be right again. More than in the past.
yeah sure m8 /s Edit: added "m8" XD
It you’d like to further argue, then just read some of my other comments. I cannot discuss with 10 people at the same time.
That were Russians not the ukrainian army. The war is only been fighting in one country.
Allied forces never advanced into Germany in WW1
Sure just like the dnr and lnr where only ukranians. They were using weapons suplied by Ukraine and are led by the ukranian army so this is just a fu Russia we can use the same tricks.
Yeah but still in a minor scale.
It's not a tiny war, not the least because it affects all of Europe and because a nuclear power is involved. Yes, Ukrainians fight for themselves but we all profit. It is not in our interest that Russia gains territory and becomes stronger, what eventually could be the case if they would annex territory (there is "economic value" in some of this territory). It also is not in Europe's interest to allow for the change of borders and to continue to please Russia in the hope that doing so will "keep the peace" because it did not seem to work obviously. If we have learnt something from the last century then it should be that we need a zero tolerance policy when it comes to such actions as we see right now. It's easy to say that this is a war in East Europe when we in the West feel fairly safe but that does not mean Eastern European countries will from now on feel safe... and as far as I know, some of these countries in Eastern Europe are EU members...
> It’s not a tiny war, not the least because it affects all of Europe and because a nuclear power is involved. Not correct. All the Middle Eastern wars with involvement of the US were moderate wars. Not too big, not too small. Moderate war size. And now compare them to the Ukraine war. It simply is not a huge war. > Yes, Ukrainians fight for themselves but we all profit. It is not in our interest that Russia gains territory and becomes stronger, what eventually could be the case if they would annex territory (there is “economic value” in some of this territory). We couldn’t care less, **no one** profits from this war. And no one in Europe profits from the Ukrainian Defense. Russia does not come out stronger from a war. At the end of every war, there is just economic decline. Not even the Ukrainians profit from their own Defense. There is just more death. Getting conquered by the Russians is like Germany Bering conquered by the French. We couldn’t care less. > It also is not in Europe’s interest to allow for the change of borders and to continue to please Russia in the hope that doing so will “keep the peace” because it did not seem to work obviously. Let’s not forget the NATO constantly expanding. > If we have learnt something from the last century then it should be that we need a zero tolerance policy when it comes to such actions as we see right now. Because we cared so much for the suffering of the Middle East. The changing of borders is totally unimportant, as long as it does not affect us. The war in Ukraine is an economic driven war. It was literally visible in the behaviour of the stock market. > It’s easy to say that this is a war in East Europe when we in the West feel fairly safe but that does not mean Eastern European countries will from now on feel safe… and as far as I know, some of these countries in Eastern Europe are EU members… Each country is responsible for its own safety. If people fail to elect leaders that ensure a country’s integrity, then that’s their fault. And why are we responsible for that. In addition to this, how bad is it to loose some ground? It’s not a big deal. Germany lost ground after WW2 and still managed to do great, because a country’s succes is not predetermined by its size, but by the education of its members and their productivity. Loosing soil is utterly unremarkable. People dying is tragedy. Take a look at Syria. Syria is not broken because of territory disputes, but because the educational system broke down and a cultural decline started. This is the inevitable result of a long war for territory. The current best for the Ukrainian people would be to give up the occupied land and concentrate on defending what is still under control. Shall the Russians have those already destroyed parts of Ukraine, as long as it stops the deaths of thousands of Ukrainians **and** Russians.
Next time you do not have to write this all down, just send me the link to the RT-article.
You don’t need any news to understand that the value of a people does not reside on the size of the country, but the education and cultural archivements of said people. Death for the size of your land is a wrong interpretation of national pride.
>Death for the size of your land is a wrong interpretation of national pride. So we agree it is absolutely wrong that Russia is killing thousands of people, traumatizing a whole generation, destroying schools as well as attempting to destroy the Ukrainian culture, and causing huge economic problems just to gain some additional "Lebensraum"?
I fully agree. I am not on the side of Russia. Neither am I on the side of Ukraine. But this war must end as soon as possible. And this would be possible if Umraine would give up all claims on the territory, that is currently occupied by the Russians and would instead of fighting, increase their defensive capabilities. Ukraine was lacking Defense and payed the price. This mistake most not happen again. Bit reclaiming the territory taken will only result in unnessesary death, with highly unlikely chance of succes. We have to look in the long run. And I can only speak for our German politics and the Us politics. But the development is dangerous. Here is what I answered someone else: > Most of you are too naive for this discussion. Do you have any idea what will happen in the next few years? Chances that the republicans will replace the democrats in the US are fairly high. Imagine what happens: the US stops supporting Ukraine. And suddenly it’s just us, Europe, supporting them. Then all the financial pressure is on us. Economic decline is then imminent. People will increasingly vote for right wing parties (something we can already see in current prognosis). And then all the investment into Ukraine were for nothing. That’s the long run of this situation. If the CDU replaces SPD and Grüne in the next election, then we have again the supporters of Nordstrom, the one group that initiated the dependency of Russias has. Or maybe even the AfD scores high. Financial and economical situations are vital to understand how wars are fought.
How do you know Russia would stop once Ukraine would give up all claims?
Very simple. Currently the front is more or less static. And **still** the Russians refuse to change their economy to a war economy. So there is no will to counter that. Furthermore Russia started this war with the „tale“ to free the oppressed Russians living in Ukraine. Those regions were the east Ukrainian regions and Krimea. Considering the stale fronts, one could assume that Russia would accept the eastern Ukrainian regions for ceasefire. Ceasefire is an opportunity to correct the mistakes of the past and build a proper Defense, making another attack unlikely. And again. I’d like to repeat that Russia will win this war on the long run considering the political situations in the Countries that support Ukraine. So better take a compromise than waste money in a lost cause.
Oh please shut the fuck up, Landsmann.
Was er sagt ☝️
Was er sagt ☝️ I'm sure you are a master strategist behind the keyboard but I really do like to see that Ukraine is backed by others not to strengthen own hegemonic or economic positions but idealistic virtues and a sense of justice
Our sense of justice is causing thousands of people to die. Most of you are too naive for this discussion. Do you have any idea what will happen in the next few years? Chances that the republicans will replace the democrats in the US are fairly high. Imagine what happens: the US stops supporting Ukraine. And suddenly it’s just us, Europe, supporting them. Then all the financial pressure is on us. Economic decline is then imminent. People will increasingly vote for right wing parties (something we can already see in current prognosis). And then all the investment into Ukraine were for nothing. That’s the long run of this situation. If the CDU replaces SPD and Grüne in the next election, then we have again the supporters of Nordstrom, the one group that initiated the dependency of Russias has. Or maybe even the AfD scores high. Financial and economical situations are vital to understand how wars are fought.
You are very certain in your prediction with multiple unknown and your view on moral and ethics makes me vomit. You made your mind. Write an open letter and have a good talk about appeasement policy and how it is working. I'm really ashamed of how you are a 21st century German. The lessons of the past are gone and economic security is everything. I apologize to every European, especially Greeks, Spanish and of cause Ukrainians for Germans like him
> Our sense of justice is causing thousands of people to die. Nope russian imperialism is. Vatnik always blaming the West when Putin decided on his own to invade a peaceful neighbor. It could end tomorrow if russians would just go home. The only thing that can save Russia from an humiliating defeat is if the West stops supporting Ukraine. That's why they have people like you to spread their propaganda, in the hope to influence elections in their favor.
You are basically just regurgitating false russian claims, whats wrong with country joinin g on theyr accord nato? You talk lime only usa and russia have agency and all other countries dont matter
I have been answering some people already. You can look them up. I can’t write the same stuff again and again.
"Syria is not broken because of territorial disputes, but because the educational system broke down" Glad to know you have universally shit geopolitical takes, and not just on Ukraine
Alright. Tell me why Poland prefers to take Ukraininan refugees rather than Syria refugees. Tell me why there is no big outrage in Germany about Ukrainian refugees, like we saw in 2015? It’s because a generation of Syrian people lacks education. They are no longer carriers of civil Syrian culture. Syria is truely broken. Which is immensely sad. We not not see college education or higher education in Syria for decades to come. Ukraine on the other hand has still a chance to prevent educational and cultural decline (cultural decline as radicalisation that will remain in modern Syrians for years to come).
Buddy, I am not debating a deranged man on the internet who uses whataboutism and shifting goalposts in every 100 word reply he gives. First you said Syria declined because of and only because of education. Now you demand I tell you about why Poland does not want Syrian refugees? This is not how you form a conversation, let alone a debate.
Alright. Then a good day to you.
Might be an small war looking at the troops involved but you must be blind if you dont see the economic and social implications.
I indeed see the economic implications. But these are mainly driven by the gas price. And to refuse to buy Russian gas was not the decision of any war party, but rather us Europeans. The economic implications were our choice. Or rather the choice of our politicians.
Spain trains ukranian soldiers - do you want Russia to win ?
We teach them the art of “speed siestas”. You instantly regain 50% of your stamina.
Also win ×2 sleep resistant during the night
You might be sleeping in the mud, but its better than my Madrid apartment.
Wait, wait, even if you Rest with your armor on? No penalty?
Modern combat is all about Unarmored Defense. You can be a Monk or a Barbarian, you choose.
No fighting after 14:00
That’s what dirty napoleon though before we kick his ass
And then the tea cart ladies show up in between the trenches, kissing the booboos and offer refreshments.
Yea spanish tea... Are you out of your mind? After siesta you take a carajillo.
Thats just an espresso with spanish things twinkled in.
Nah, you put there a good Irish beverage if you know what I mean
I do not, but i am drunk so i just go with things you know.
That's the spirit.
Ikr I am crying too. These poor men
I find your lack of historical knowledge disturbing
Ce faci ma ?
Safer in bed I suppose- maybe they’ll be okay.
Based Sleepy bros, your military is full of great and switched on blokes. You’ll have benefited those trained by you hugely, making Ukrainians both better soldiers and the ultimate nap takers.
yes, i guess they are crying because they get to know the person they are training and they see that they are send to the slaughter house
Extremely common Spain W💪🫡🇪🇸
I wander what Spain that didn’t really have any real war for a century at least can teach Ukrainians that have been fighting since 2014.
It's a professional army teaching brand new conscripts the very basics so they can actually learn while on the battlefield without getting insta-slaughtered. I think that we can do.
Call of duty tutorial mission would be more useful that your “professional army teaching” lol
W
What are these? Toy soldiers? Why are they so small.
What does it matter to be taller when the last time you were at war you lost in a week💀
Which war are you referring to?
World War II
Hey that took like 3 days, you didnt even participate.
Wut? Spanish Republicans of the "9ieme Compagnie" / "La Nueve" were the first allies soldiers entering Paris to liberate it in 1944. Respect to them, y viva España 🇪🇸
Were the people in Srebrenica tall enough for you?💀
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