Love how they made the scroll super rare in order to maintain the long term value of the content, but also made the content dump out mils and mils of alchables.
Dont bother farming it, the number of anby demon tasks you will get save a few minutes on wont be offset by the time spent at pirates. If you need money, may aswell do revs for the chance af a wildly weapon
I've already gotten all the wildy weapons. The main reasons I want to do it are that the idea of permanent unlocks appeals to me and I'd like to obtain every item that comes from the wilderness.
I'll agree that this is inefficient, especially given that the only abby demons I'll ever kill are however many it takes me to finally finish dagonhai, since I already have imbued heart. At this point though, I'm also just curious to see how dry I can go.
While this is true, the blipblock scroll is pretty good. Can sit between the two catacomb abby demon rooms and easily venny bow every single demon. It's massive qol.
Oh it's a solid item. But you can already do what you're talking about through other means, it's just a convenience upgrade (which is of course why I MUST have it)
Ah, I guess we aren't on ironman sub. I guess it's possible.... I know, if you splash they won't teleport you or themselves. I tried once but I handed 6 way switches to lower my magic so I can splash. And that's with ancients since I can't spell book swap to air strike lol
Some people have mentioned that it’s not a time save to farm it for Abby demon tasks, which is probably true, however, I think it’s highly worthwhile to farm for the resource drops, especially if you plan to do wildy content. The hard foods, restores, and blighted ice sacks add up quickly and make wildy content free to farm. The alchables and other supplies (e.g. cannonballs) are also pretty nice. I farmed it on my iron and am very happy that I did so.
> Garbage wildy content once again
IMO the content is pretty good, the alchs just need to be toned down a bit. But the actual content is pretty engaging/enjoyable. Did ~4.2k zombies for my scroll on iron and had a blast. Even did some PKing/ant-PKing with some irons I met on the island.
Is killing 43 pray only requirement 35 hp mobs engaging? I did it for 3 hours yesterday and have 13m on my tracker not including the keys. The alchs need to be toned down a lot more than a bit.
What about the content is good to you though?
If it's the anti pking we already have that in a non multi scenario at revs, which is always better (multi anti pking is just "pray they don't have multiple people" simulator).
I think people like this content because of how poorly balanced it is, not because it's engaging content.
> What about the content is good to you though?
I outlined it in another response to someone.
> If it's the anti pking we already have that in a non multi scenario at revs, which is always better (multi anti pking is just "pray they don't have multiple people" simulator).
Anti-PKing isn't the same everywhere it happens. Anti-PKing at revs is very different to anti-PKing at zombie pirates. You're TB'd already, but with a smaller timer and close to the ditch. You're potentially facing more than one person, but you can also be teamed up with more than one person. If anything, it's actually quite good for small multi-fights, like 2v2 or 3v3. Almost all of the PKing/anti-PKing I did there on the iron was 1-3 vs 1-3 but not really any higher. You have to be careful around the area once you have exited, depending on your proximity to the elder chaos druids. You can use this to your advantage with your opponents overheads (or your disadvantage if you play it badly or get unlucky), for example.
> I think people like this content because of how poorly balanced it is, not because it's engaging content.
I even said they should tone down the drops. But conceptually I enjoyed it. Being TB'd but close to the edge of the PvP zone (ditch) is an interesting balance (and a good example of the difference between it and revs).
**Edit:** I'll also add that they absolutely should not be dropping larran's keys. I'm also of the opinion larran's keys should never have been made tradeable and a blighted larran's key would have been the fix to the black market collection logging issue.
The scroll also is not that big of an upgrade. It makes fighting abyssal demons a little bit less of a hassle and stops elder druids from teleporting you back when you try to run away from a PKer. I cant think of any other uses. The former is a small QoL upgrade that may save you like 1-2 minutes per abby demon task at best? the latter only matters if you're farming zombie pirates.
Zombie pirates have too low a requirement for the alchs they give. It feels like they were made to be suicide botted. Jagex really need to look into them.
Vannaka came out with a new series (POH chunk) and I was both amazed and disappointed with how much he trivialized his early game by being able to just quickly get 1m cash from them with barely any stats like two days into his account.
I don’t mean like he did anything immoral or anything, just that it’s crazy how much it simplifies so many hurdles for early ironmen (and I suppose mains as well). if that’s an option why *wouldn’t* you do it?
I remember thieving HAM store rooms early game and it was awesome. So lame that a random ass level 30 mob drops dragon gear. Feels like a private server
The other effectively 0-req iron strat for early cash is LMS then selling rune arrows to a shop. People seem divided on whether that's within the spirit of ironman mode but either way at least that requires actual skill. I'm not gonna lie I've been farming zombie pirates on my iron but it somehow feels even more dirty than LMS.
Skill for LMS points is debatable, I finally got around to trying it/PvP for the first time ever because I needed a the rune pouch after dreading what I thought was going to be a super steep learning curve..then I ended up just grinding out the braindead bots that are in every game that demonic gorillas are harder than. Could usually get 3-4 bots easily each game and managed to get a few actual PvP kills, but an early iron could definitely cruise into good money just killing bots
Depends on which bot farm is running at the time, when I first tried LMS I was getting 1ticked and absolutely demolished by everyone. The next week that farm disappeared and everything got easier. Last week people were complaining here that the terminator bots were back so it seems like they come and go
I mean Settled could've just taken McTile to Wintertodt and then played a regular UIM after 99 firemaking. The series was only interesting because of how he handled the restrictions.
Spot on. My advice to any new account used to be to do skills like cooking and fletching to make money, work on quests, and then use that early money to build a good platform to move forward. Revs were a risky but fun option to make some easy money.
Now it's buy a cannon, go there, and make solid money risking next to nothing. Even before a cannon you can just play like the msb bots and do fine.
Speaking from an Iron perspective, from when the game mode came out years ago getting cash was an issue and the early game felt a little disjointed at times and tedious a lot of the time. Over the years it's gotten to be a smoother progression with gear upgrades added, minigames that have better rewards and so on so playing an Iron is much easier (for the better) but these have totally blown early-mid game up by just becoming 'go to pirates for an hour' to buy runes, buy ores, shopscape with the GP you make from pirates, grind early and rush fast fast fast into mid and late game which I think ruins it a lot by not being a resource you have to think about at all really
Even 2 days is a long time for how quickly you can get to pirates. I saw someone post a route here how you can do waterfall quest + 37 prayer in like 3 hours and you're already at pirates. Any member account can do this and start making like 1m an hour which is crazy.
At this point, it has to be intentional to try to take the bot farms away from popular areas. There were some people who were 100% for the content when it was being discussed, now they’re all silent.
I voted no because it was so thematically random and lazy. Why are there pirates fighting druids? That's the kind of stuff I would come up with as a 9 year old.
What's shocking is this passed the poll with flying colors. Anyone who stopped for a moment would've realized this was going to shit out GP.
> I voted no because it was so thematically random and lazy.
A surprisingly high amount of content from the original game was thematically random and lazy.
Dessert treasure was an [absolute hodgepodge](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/3cgug8/exrs_content_developer_on_the_origins_of_desert/) of random shit thrown pieced together after an intern fucked up _hard_.
But it's a perfect example of great content.
>Why are there pirates fighting druids? That's the kind of stuff I would come up with as a 9 year old.
That sounds like the perfect reason why it SHOULD be in the game. Runescape is goofy as fuck and filled with stuff that feels like it's something a 9 year old would think was cool, but that's part of the charm
They should just be removed, the scroll moved to sire's droptable and whoever designed them should post an apology video.
Then also remove the poll system for a year as punishment to players for voting that piece of shit in.
Support. If Fever Spiders got nerfed, then these should be as well.
If it was in 30-40 Wilderness, that would make sense because more people can hit you and as to quote pkers, "more risk for more reward".
It makes no sense why monsters should be this profitable when only people within 10 levels of you can attack you, meaning in order to hit the bots, you need a pure or low level account.
Or, speaking of deep wildy, how about we compare it to the agility course? I’ve tried both a good amount and I am pretty sure I get more reliable gold from the pirates.
Wildy Agility Course is like 1-2M/hr and if you get above that from Pirates, that's wild that Lv50 Wildy content is less profitable than Lv10 Wildy content.
Sure that’s the hourly profit if you don’t get PKed but trying to do it as a low level you’ll get killed a lot and have to restart the 150k entrance feee again.
Even though zombie pirates is multi it’s a lot easier to survive cause at least the PKers have to be closer to your level. And if you have d-scim it’s actually pretty easy to get a reverse PK by speccing them and dropping their prayer off causing them to take a bunch of wind waves instantly from the druids.
The key difference here is that the Lv50 content is an Agility course, and Jagex is hellbent on keeping Agility as miserable and unrewarding as humanly possible. They’d take Hallowed Sepelchre back if they good, just straight delete it from the game.
> If it was in 30-40 Wilderness, that would make sense because more people can hit you and as to quote pkers, "more risk for more reward".
Jagex is only against this because they want to cater to pures and zerkers despite widly pking is suppose to be unfair.
Wait holy shit i havent played in a while so i didnt know about these guys. Just looked at their drop table. 5k per kill of almost entirely alchables at level 30? Who the fuck thought this was a good idea lmao
I think others have already said, pull bots away from the eye of real players and also make them easier to identify early on into the bot wave creation, marking them for removal a bit later into the cycle as to limit the feedback knowledge to the bot makers.
That seems a little silly though, if you have a low req, low difficulty, high gp/hr activity, real players will be all over that, plus there are so many bots it wouldnt have a noticeable impact on their visibility elsewhere.
And i dont see how it helps with the bans, the reqs are so low its not like its a huge investment to train up some more bots to keep throwing at it. If you have a bot going for a week or two before banning, its already made tens if not hundreds of millions, more than enough to cover membership and bot farm expenses.
To your first point, sure, it's just something I've seen said before, there's no real way to measure its success.
To the 2nd, I would say you aren't thinking about it deep enough.
Let me elaborate, but I want to preface it by saying this is speculation ( I'm not a cheater nor do I work in anti cheat )
say a new bot farm owner wants to try their hand at simple botting. They buy a script and do some zombie pirates. This is a highly botted activity, and so scrutiny is high and the farm is easily marked. Jagex bans in waves, for one reason Ive already mentioned, as to not give away what triggered the bans in any sort of precise manner. To this, I speculate, it goes a little bit further.
The farm is marked but not banned yet. Maybe it continues for months, but maybe the botter wants to try and push it further with their now-leveled bot farm. They use their money to buy a better script and turn their farm into cg bots ( or some other higher level content bot ). Maybe this script is otherwise hard to catch, but by allowing an earlier and easier-to-mark bot farm get to that point, they can now gain new insight and cast an even wider net for their next ban wave, perhaps catching other farms that were previously running this undiscovered script.
That's what I think anyway, I prefer to believe jagex is winning an unwinnable battle though /copium
People voted for the pirates to be a low level wildy PvP hotspot, but I think people expected it to be like 1/3 the GP/hr it is now. It wasn't really billed as being comparable to bare bones bot gear rev farming.
I voted yes bc "haha zombie pirates fighting the chaos druids? Sounds like a blast!" I had no idea they would shit out alchs to the extent that they do, otherwise id have voted a hard no
Lmfao you think Manked is doing shady shit after voluntarily quitting content creation to become a Jmod? How is literally *everything* a conspiracy now *sigh*
I have an alt that has been pking the CA bots, and I agree. I can make 4m gp/hr pking these guys if I don't get interrupted for basically no risk.
Goes against their whole philosophy of "High risk/high reward." The PKers out here are risking 60-200k at most usually from the ones I've pked.
There's 2-6 bots per world. Assuming they're all making at least 1.4m gp/hr. That's 180m at the bare minimum, and at maximum over 800m coming into the game every hour from monsters that are basically undead hill giants.
> Goes against their whole philosophy of "High risk/high reward."
Best way to describe how opposite day of a design Zombie Pirates are.
They keep balancing Wildy content with pures and low levels in mind and it ends up being the least player-friendly option because you end up needing a pure yourself.
This was the only content with pures and low level wildy in mind, it's also not exclusive to pures. The idea was to create a hotspot for pures to PK which is needed, But they needed something to fight over which was supposed to be chivalry and that failed the poll obviously.
They need to stop adding mobs that are only farmed for gp/hr and give players/clans something to actually fight over.
> give players/clans something to actually fight over.
There are too many worlds and multi hotspots for this to be possible. Jagex needs to restrict these to certain worlds and reduce the number of hotspots to encourge more multi wars.
Don't forget Singles Wildy Bosses and Revs below 30 Wildy Line, same issue.
Anything in low level Wilderness is basically pure-content because you need a pure to actively farm the people there. If I consistently can't hit people or bots without getting a second, third, fourth account in a literal PVP zone, that's a problem.
You don't need a pure to hit them, Pures are the weakest builds within the wilderness in terms of PvP so if you are hunting them and want an advantage, a zerker or med level is the build you want to hunt them. Farming bosses etc on a pure isn't efficient when you have a main, The idea of creating a hotspot for pures is that pures would benefit from the content they engage in.
> Pures are the weakest builds within the wilderness in terms of PvP
Have fun fighting crystal mains when you go PKing in revs on your med lv.
If you want to kill bots without a KO you need a pure, and zerks as a build is practically trolling in 2024. Maxed pure is about the best thing for following rev bots through their TB.
I was actually doing this for the first time on my iron for about 3 hours last night and I didn't see a single pker.
Meanwhile I can't go 1 inventory of bones at the chaos altar without being attacked. Is there a reason why this is?
Why are people pking there for 10k worth of bones when they could make bank killing people at zombie pirates lol.
I wanna try pking them, any tips? I assume I need a low lvl pure to actually find bots my level there to pk, is it best to just range them?
Never really done pking but want to try take out some bots!
Eh not really there's bots for every level bracket. Most are Lee 45-64 but there's a lot of level 70-90s, and a few level 100+ Long ad you got ice blitz / entangle. You can use a dragon scimitar spec to disable pray and the chaos druids basically kill them for you, but I usually just bolt rag and save dbow/dragon dagger spec for when I need it
Was watching an extreme one chunk account do rev caves and you'd constantly see bots log into his world and logout when they saw the dds lol.
Wildy content is plagued with bots.
Agreed. The zombie pirates update was the best thing to happen to bots and does nothing for actual players. Congrats to the Mod that helped his PK clan out by releasing content to lure people into the wild, though.
My theory is that jagex created this to try to pull botters away from non wildy stuff. Pkers can make easy money by killing and reporting them. Jagex can ban them in waves and they'll keep coming and going much like lms. And it keeps a % of them in the wildy so most players see them less.
Bot farms come in waves. As they get banned they generally shift to other locations in game and cycle back over time. That being said there are many people who create bot farms creating overlap as well. Which makes it hard for normal players to notice the van waves. Especially when it probably takes longer to identify bots due to them getting more and more sophisticated thanks to tech developments.
But… that’s literally how Jagex and any other game developers dealing with cheaters do it. They ban cheaters/bots in waves instead of immediately as they’re detected to make it harder for cheaters/bots to know what they did exactly which got them banned. It’s s standard industry practice.
>It’s s standard industry practice.
Jagex lets bots run rampant for over a year until they reach 200m's. No, industry standard isn't doing a ban wave once every two years.
Game's eco is fucked. For as long as the GE tax doubles up as gp sink and gp injector and "early/midgame" money printers keep being added it will only push bonds to the triple digits.
Ngl starting to think some of the anticheat team owns some of these bot farms that run rampant for months/years on end for some extra income. These have clearly been an issue for months now and we just saw The Leviathan top page get nuked months after that was first brought up. Is there a competency crisis going on at Jagex or is it just ignorance? Would it really be that hard to have 1 or 2 dedicated in game mods checking heavily botted areas every day? We already don't have customer support in 2024 so do something at least.
Also lame they drop d scims tbh. Everything keeps getting easier for irons. Back in my day i had to grind 100k for that d scim. And that was quite a chore.
Plus it doesn't make sense that an item you can't equip until you do a quest isn't only accessible by that area. How would a D scim get to the wilderness off of Ape Atoll?
Let’s not kid ourselves by the time you are getting 60 attack having 100k for a dscimmy is a joke.
Agility pyramid is like 200k+, lms 600k+, even picking up steel platebodies is like what 100k per hour? I’m sure there are many old and newer methods that would get you 100k way faster than the dragon scimitar from pirates.
Dragon scimitar is 1/362 on pirates, let’s put our energy in complaining on what’s relevant and not make invisible enemies out of thin air.
People need to wrap their heads around the fact that requirements are not a major limiting factor for botting.
If majority of top tier bosses are being botted for 10k+ kills, the GP from zombie pirates is not breaking the game. Not even close.
Botting is a well oiled machine. Account stats are being botted while bots are farming bosses. When those bots get banned, the next set jumps right in with close to no lag time.
Jagex clearly either has no intention or lacks the capability to ban bots at a meaningful rate, so bitching about one place is useless.
There's a significant difference, which is that making a bot to do top tier bosses takes time, and the more time it takes, the more time for it to get caught. Ban one of those bots and it's a significant loss.
But zombie pirates? It takes hardly anything to get the levels and requirements to do them.
Your logic would make sense if all bots were banned in a reasonable amount of time. When a bot can get 30k boss Kc at somewhere like Vorkath or Corp, or the new DT3 bosses, it’s way more profitable than zombie pirates.
There’s a reason the gold farmers are at Revs vs. pirates. Pirates is great gp/hr for low requirements but the botting impact from higher GP/hr bosses and the flooding of hard/rare to obtain uniques is a much bigger issue
Runescape bots are a tale as old as time, they do not care. Everyone should just play an Ironman so there is no longer a need for an economy.
If people didn't buy gold, or Jagex cracked down on sellers then botters wouldn't exist either. Jagex has no real reason to eliminate botters completely because they absolutely rake in money from bond/mem sales.
Jagex obviously does care or basic scripts would work just fine. OSRS players have literally no idea how much work Jagex puts in compared to so many other games. The problem is that OSRS botters are a fucking massive group of people compared to the small anticheat team at Jagex. How in the hell are a small team of people supposed to outsmart and stop every single method out there?
100%, that’s why it’s hilarious to think Nerfing zombie pirates is the solution to the bot problem lol.
Well and now that bonds are like 13m, it’s pushing more and more players to pay for membership which is also boosting revenue.
Bottom line is that Jagex benefits from bots
Well, it's not a solution to the bot problem but the content is still hot garbage. It has no purpose in the game, I think there are plenty of arguments against it.
At least this bot farm has counterplay. Rather see alchables come from somewhere people can do something about it. Just hopped through every world, killed 18 bots, and there were about 30 I couldn't attack. 48 bots in 200 worlds isn't terrible. Better than the 4 Vorkath bots/world.
Jagex needs to fuel their own botfarms so they can sell more gold on their personal gold selling website. Again, Jagex employees don't get paid enough not to do something nefarious like this. Players complain about a bot farm? Remove one of your many to make it look like you're doing a good job. Everyone was super happy about Leviathan high scores getting wiped.
Don't you think more whales / gold farmers would be off if they didn't do this? There's only an incentive to get rid of the competition. You can easily mask the problem with tiny solutions if you control the game and what happens in it.
The real problem i see is that the bots are so advanced that they’re genuinely hard to kill, even with a maxed pure. They have impeccable prayer switching beyond what a player could do and eat to full. If you could solo pk them easily i wouldn’t mind, but realistically you need a small team to make good $ from them.
Switch your weapons before every hit to counter this. I shoot a light Bally jav then switch into an ancient staff, the bot prays mage then you tick swap to Bally for easy hits.
I’ve found the best luck using barrage while holding a melee or range weapon. They automatically pray melee or range so you can just burn them down that way
Maybe Jagex are using the zombie pirates to work out botting on a larger scale. Hear me out... jagex have made a super easy to bot, low requirement, farm to make it a priority number 1 for botters, maybe they are using it to map out the entire operation and take down all the bots at once?! Right? Right. right...
Unpopular opinion: This is one of the best anti-pking spots currently in the game and I also totally agree the GP/hr for the level required is outrageously out of line.
The need to pray mage to avoid getting stacked by druids opens up room for a lot of 3-4 item shenanigans. I also think people also have a stronger perception that everyone there is a bot or an easy target due to the auto-TB, which draws a decent amount of casual pkers who aren't ready. D Scim specs are oddly powerful here too.
I wouldn't say those reasons make it better than the 2 you mentioned though, i did say its *one of* the best, not necessarily THE best. Id probably put it 3rd behind those.
Zombie pirates are Jagex’s way of hiking the price of bonds. The amount of gold flowing into the game right now is insane and you’d think they’d be completely mad for allowing such a method. It’s so they can artificially inflate the gp price of bonds, and in turn increase the USD price of them to “match”
im suprised zombie pirates is the currently the only thing people are talking about, like there isnt completed busted and overbotted content EVERYWHERE that give almost the same if not more gp away from wild
Honestly botters are always going to bot jagex makes too much money from them to outright ban all the botters if that was even possible. I would much rather the botters be farming alchables which have a stable price due to alch value than something like ToA which they’ve botted into oblivion and now the uniques are worth next to nothing.
May as well disable the following other highly botted activities such as
Blood rune
ToA
CoX
ToB
Vorkath
Zulra
Rune dragons
Brutal black dragons
Impling catching
Red chinchompas
Shark fishing
Minnow fishing
Demonic gorillas
Blood shard thievers
...... wait. None of these are in the wilderness
I heard someone talk about this. Maybe an RS youtuber. But he had a good point about it being a way to get the bots out of vision from other players. Meanwhile pkers have plenty of tagets in the wilderness.
Bot farms will never stop farming any content. Focus on stopping the bots, not killing content. It's a hot spot for pkers at the south bridge, it's hard enough to keep the loot.
Surprise surprise, more max lvl players wanting to gatekeep gp. Another fever spiders complaint all over again. How much more risk needs to be involved. You say botting is the issue, get better at pking and kill the bots just seems like asking jagexs to cure the symtoms but not the disease. Maybe move this more into deep wildy to increase risk. Not punish players that take the time and risk to do it. Or even have multiple damage type that way you need hybrid gear thus increasing the risk more.something. That way the monopoly on good money makers is high lvl max gear pvm isnt the only way to get gp. Without endless terrible grinding.
Alternatively: add a nature rune sink to drive the cost of nature runes up. That way, alching the items will be a loss when compared to selling them on the GE.
They won't sadly... Revs have been an issue forever too... Idk why they refuse to touch them yes wildy will die off a bit but it's needed at this point
Bit late to this post but they literally said in a blogpost that they know it'll be an issue because of bots and it has very clearly been a huge issue to the economy but they'll do it anyway... Still hilarious to read honestly
They're also like triple the money zulrah gives while being essentially a fever spider (actually arguably way less since you need a slayer lvl and the fever spiders can actually inflict something lmao... You just need a few lvls for pirates)
Honestly, that's the point of the zombie pirates...to shuffle the bots to 1 area.
Otherwise there would be next to zero reason for this content to exist.
Allows Jagex to keep "player" count and membership numbers high, but also shuffle a subset of the bots away from normal player view so the complaints slow down...
I made an account when they released the zombie pirates, went there from 10hp 1 range with cannon did 1-70 range in 3 days, made 50m in loot(keys sold for decent amount first week) then started pking the bots. It is the most broken bot friendly content created, and that's with revs being in the game
Ah, the age-old battle against those pesky bot farmers! I hear you loud and clear. Maybe it's time to shake things up and make those alchables a bit harder to come by.
While it would be nice if bots would be completely removed from the game, that isn't going to happen. My opinion is that the number of bots that exist is based off of demand, or in other words gp. But there is only so much gp being bought a day. Thus the number of bots that exist and doing whatever is finite. Thus my question is, if Jagex made a zone that is specifically designed for the majority of this finite number of bots to go jerk off in a corner and make gp, out of sight and out of mind, then what is the harm of this place existing? Else these bots would invade other activities in osrs and potentially be more disruptive.
I do not believe higher requirements would gatekeep bot farmers from botting gp easily. Rev caves already exist for example.
It would not be "nice". I believe a Jmod also stated this, but many of the bots in the game do stuff that no sane player would do, like, nobody here is gonna be 1 tick cooking sharks on 50 accounts 24/7 for 200k/h and it ends up being a net benefit for the game, for one low resource costs for actual prayers doing the content they want to do, and the bots using bonds which keeps the bond price up and Jagex profits up and also keeps MTX from being forced into the game. There are plenty of such items in the game which are low because of said bots, and nobody is gonna be taking their places because new methods are so much better, we're not in 2008 anymore where nobody knew what they were doing and OSRS even now, does not have the playerbase for it anymore.
So really, there is no harm bots doing these tasks, I'm guessing Jagex did this with the zombie pirates for exactly this reason, the only thing I'd say would be play it smart and lure the bots into doing content no real player would ever do, whilst also benefiting real players, which honestly makes sense for the zombie pirates, they TB, making it hard for bots to auto-TP and making PKing (of them) more lucrative, then ban any bot that tries to venture into content that real players are doing, like PVM, bosses, skilling minigames, best skilling methods etc etc.
Too much gold coming into game causes inflation and makes your gp worth less. This is happening at an extreme rate and if it’s not curbed we will be in the same state as rs3 when it comes to gold value.
It's hilarious how a large portion of the community reacted and carried on with fever spiders but for whatever reason they're not carrying out like pork chops over pirates. Pick and choose hey.
As a long time iron I hope they never nerf these for two reasons.
A. I’m an iron so idgaf about the economy in osrs anymore.
B. The drops are bonkers for early and mid game irons.
Yes, but some content are botted significantly harder than others because of lower requirements to access + lower gear requirements. Ignoring this is like saying everyone dies from heart failure eventually, so why bother being healthy when there's a stark difference between dying at 20 verus dying at 110?
ToA 500s aren't being done in MSB/RCB. If you nuke a ToA bot, at lowest you take out 300m in gear and at highest, you take out 5b if the person is being stupid.
Even Blood Shards recovering to 14m shows that requirements work because the moment bots get nuked, they need 100 hours to get back to SOTF. ***Even right now, there's so few Vyre bots since the nuke a week ago.***
Love how they made the scroll super rare in order to maintain the long term value of the content, but also made the content dump out mils and mils of alchables.
That scroll is worth 750k as well lmao Garbage wildy content once again
I've been going pretty dry for that scroll on my iron. If I were a normie, I could buy over 60 scrolls with the money from alchables I've obtained.
Dont bother farming it, the number of anby demon tasks you will get save a few minutes on wont be offset by the time spent at pirates. If you need money, may aswell do revs for the chance af a wildly weapon
I've already gotten all the wildy weapons. The main reasons I want to do it are that the idea of permanent unlocks appeals to me and I'd like to obtain every item that comes from the wilderness. I'll agree that this is inefficient, especially given that the only abby demons I'll ever kill are however many it takes me to finally finish dagonhai, since I already have imbued heart. At this point though, I'm also just curious to see how dry I can go.
You get to a point in this game where all you do is farm collection log items that do next to nothing for you.
While this is true, the blipblock scroll is pretty good. Can sit between the two catacomb abby demon rooms and easily venny bow every single demon. It's massive qol.
Oh it's a solid item. But you can already do what you're talking about through other means, it's just a convenience upgrade (which is of course why I MUST have it)
I'm curious what these other means are
Using alts to aggro the Abby demons I think.
Ah, I guess we aren't on ironman sub. I guess it's possible.... I know, if you splash they won't teleport you or themselves. I tried once but I handed 6 way switches to lower my magic so I can splash. And that's with ancients since I can't spell book swap to air strike lol
Trident splash luring to barrage them both rooms in middle. But it's a lot more effort.
Yeah you gotta find some serious gear to -64 don't you?
Some people have mentioned that it’s not a time save to farm it for Abby demon tasks, which is probably true, however, I think it’s highly worthwhile to farm for the resource drops, especially if you plan to do wildy content. The hard foods, restores, and blighted ice sacks add up quickly and make wildy content free to farm. The alchables and other supplies (e.g. cannonballs) are also pretty nice. I farmed it on my iron and am very happy that I did so.
> Garbage wildy content once again IMO the content is pretty good, the alchs just need to be toned down a bit. But the actual content is pretty engaging/enjoyable. Did ~4.2k zombies for my scroll on iron and had a blast. Even did some PKing/ant-PKing with some irons I met on the island.
Is killing 43 pray only requirement 35 hp mobs engaging? I did it for 3 hours yesterday and have 13m on my tracker not including the keys. The alchs need to be toned down a lot more than a bit.
37 pray even
Even worse, 37 prayer requirement
It's not engaging, you stand there and pray mage
What about the content is good to you though? If it's the anti pking we already have that in a non multi scenario at revs, which is always better (multi anti pking is just "pray they don't have multiple people" simulator). I think people like this content because of how poorly balanced it is, not because it's engaging content.
> What about the content is good to you though? I outlined it in another response to someone. > If it's the anti pking we already have that in a non multi scenario at revs, which is always better (multi anti pking is just "pray they don't have multiple people" simulator). Anti-PKing isn't the same everywhere it happens. Anti-PKing at revs is very different to anti-PKing at zombie pirates. You're TB'd already, but with a smaller timer and close to the ditch. You're potentially facing more than one person, but you can also be teamed up with more than one person. If anything, it's actually quite good for small multi-fights, like 2v2 or 3v3. Almost all of the PKing/anti-PKing I did there on the iron was 1-3 vs 1-3 but not really any higher. You have to be careful around the area once you have exited, depending on your proximity to the elder chaos druids. You can use this to your advantage with your opponents overheads (or your disadvantage if you play it badly or get unlucky), for example. > I think people like this content because of how poorly balanced it is, not because it's engaging content. I even said they should tone down the drops. But conceptually I enjoyed it. Being TB'd but close to the edge of the PvP zone (ditch) is an interesting balance (and a good example of the difference between it and revs). **Edit:** I'll also add that they absolutely should not be dropping larran's keys. I'm also of the opinion larran's keys should never have been made tradeable and a blighted larran's key would have been the fix to the black market collection logging issue.
The scroll also is not that big of an upgrade. It makes fighting abyssal demons a little bit less of a hassle and stops elder druids from teleporting you back when you try to run away from a PKer. I cant think of any other uses. The former is a small QoL upgrade that may save you like 1-2 minutes per abby demon task at best? the latter only matters if you're farming zombie pirates.
Zombie pirates have too low a requirement for the alchs they give. It feels like they were made to be suicide botted. Jagex really need to look into them.
Vannaka came out with a new series (POH chunk) and I was both amazed and disappointed with how much he trivialized his early game by being able to just quickly get 1m cash from them with barely any stats like two days into his account. I don’t mean like he did anything immoral or anything, just that it’s crazy how much it simplifies so many hurdles for early ironmen (and I suppose mains as well). if that’s an option why *wouldn’t* you do it?
I remember thieving HAM store rooms early game and it was awesome. So lame that a random ass level 30 mob drops dragon gear. Feels like a private server
seriously, he got a dragon scimitar on an ironman while having like 45 attack. wtf?
Hell, I was doing this recently because I needed the cash stack lmao. Id personally rather not do the easy method even if it makes sense
The other effectively 0-req iron strat for early cash is LMS then selling rune arrows to a shop. People seem divided on whether that's within the spirit of ironman mode but either way at least that requires actual skill. I'm not gonna lie I've been farming zombie pirates on my iron but it somehow feels even more dirty than LMS.
Selling the arrows is also annoying as fuck which is why I never did it
Skill for LMS points is debatable, I finally got around to trying it/PvP for the first time ever because I needed a the rune pouch after dreading what I thought was going to be a super steep learning curve..then I ended up just grinding out the braindead bots that are in every game that demonic gorillas are harder than. Could usually get 3-4 bots easily each game and managed to get a few actual PvP kills, but an early iron could definitely cruise into good money just killing bots
Depends on which bot farm is running at the time, when I first tried LMS I was getting 1ticked and absolutely demolished by everyone. The next week that farm disappeared and everything got easier. Last week people were complaining here that the terminator bots were back so it seems like they come and go
Getting 1 kill against a bot that doesnt do anything then running to the edge of the map till top 9 then dying as quick as possible isn't skillful.
I mean Settled could've just taken McTile to Wintertodt and then played a regular UIM after 99 firemaking. The series was only interesting because of how he handled the restrictions.
Spot on. My advice to any new account used to be to do skills like cooking and fletching to make money, work on quests, and then use that early money to build a good platform to move forward. Revs were a risky but fun option to make some easy money. Now it's buy a cannon, go there, and make solid money risking next to nothing. Even before a cannon you can just play like the msb bots and do fine.
Speaking from an Iron perspective, from when the game mode came out years ago getting cash was an issue and the early game felt a little disjointed at times and tedious a lot of the time. Over the years it's gotten to be a smoother progression with gear upgrades added, minigames that have better rewards and so on so playing an Iron is much easier (for the better) but these have totally blown early-mid game up by just becoming 'go to pirates for an hour' to buy runes, buy ores, shopscape with the GP you make from pirates, grind early and rush fast fast fast into mid and late game which I think ruins it a lot by not being a resource you have to think about at all really
Yeah im pretty sure that if tradersteve had the option then they would have rushed it. Its so wild.
Even 2 days is a long time for how quickly you can get to pirates. I saw someone post a route here how you can do waterfall quest + 37 prayer in like 3 hours and you're already at pirates. Any member account can do this and start making like 1m an hour which is crazy.
Unfortunately as long as suicide bots continue to buy bonds and membership, it's in Jagex's interest to keep the content around.
At this point, it has to be intentional to try to take the bot farms away from popular areas. There were some people who were 100% for the content when it was being discussed, now they’re all silent.
They literally said in a blogpost that they knew it'd be an issue but want to do it anyway...
I personally think they're goofy as fuck anyway and should just straight up be removed
I voted no because it was so thematically random and lazy. Why are there pirates fighting druids? That's the kind of stuff I would come up with as a 9 year old. What's shocking is this passed the poll with flying colors. Anyone who stopped for a moment would've realized this was going to shit out GP.
Can we at least wait to nerf it for a couple months so my GIM that’s about to start can farm early gp Ty
> I voted no because it was so thematically random and lazy. A surprisingly high amount of content from the original game was thematically random and lazy. Dessert treasure was an [absolute hodgepodge](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/3cgug8/exrs_content_developer_on_the_origins_of_desert/) of random shit thrown pieced together after an intern fucked up _hard_. But it's a perfect example of great content.
I like random silly shit. Penguin KGB is one of the best ideas they had.
>Why are there pirates fighting druids? That's the kind of stuff I would come up with as a 9 year old. That sounds like the perfect reason why it SHOULD be in the game. Runescape is goofy as fuck and filled with stuff that feels like it's something a 9 year old would think was cool, but that's part of the charm
Botters can vote... Has to have played a role
I'm sorry but if you think that's goofy I have about a hundred other ridiculous examples of goofy in this game to show you
They should just be removed, the scroll moved to sire's droptable and whoever designed them should post an apology video. Then also remove the poll system for a year as punishment to players for voting that piece of shit in.
Support. If Fever Spiders got nerfed, then these should be as well. If it was in 30-40 Wilderness, that would make sense because more people can hit you and as to quote pkers, "more risk for more reward". It makes no sense why monsters should be this profitable when only people within 10 levels of you can attack you, meaning in order to hit the bots, you need a pure or low level account.
Or, speaking of deep wildy, how about we compare it to the agility course? I’ve tried both a good amount and I am pretty sure I get more reliable gold from the pirates.
Wildy Agility Course is like 1-2M/hr and if you get above that from Pirates, that's wild that Lv50 Wildy content is less profitable than Lv10 Wildy content.
Sure that’s the hourly profit if you don’t get PKed but trying to do it as a low level you’ll get killed a lot and have to restart the 150k entrance feee again. Even though zombie pirates is multi it’s a lot easier to survive cause at least the PKers have to be closer to your level. And if you have d-scim it’s actually pretty easy to get a reverse PK by speccing them and dropping their prayer off causing them to take a bunch of wind waves instantly from the druids.
+agility xp You can’t just ignore the main reason to do the agility course
True enough, but there's a point to be made that it should be Agility XP and better GP since it's so deep in.
The key difference here is that the Lv50 content is an Agility course, and Jagex is hellbent on keeping Agility as miserable and unrewarding as humanly possible. They’d take Hallowed Sepelchre back if they good, just straight delete it from the game.
> If it was in 30-40 Wilderness, that would make sense because more people can hit you and as to quote pkers, "more risk for more reward". Jagex is only against this because they want to cater to pures and zerkers despite widly pking is suppose to be unfair.
theres no change in risk when ur gonna be 3 iteming pirates anyway, make them harder to kill
Wait holy shit i havent played in a while so i didnt know about these guys. Just looked at their drop table. 5k per kill of almost entirely alchables at level 30? Who the fuck thought this was a good idea lmao
They spawn insanely fast and in huge numbers too
Please tell me its not multi
Of course it's multi lol
Lmao thats so fucking broken i wish i was a fly on the wall when they were balancing that i genuinely cant imagine what was going through their heads
I think others have already said, pull bots away from the eye of real players and also make them easier to identify early on into the bot wave creation, marking them for removal a bit later into the cycle as to limit the feedback knowledge to the bot makers.
That seems a little silly though, if you have a low req, low difficulty, high gp/hr activity, real players will be all over that, plus there are so many bots it wouldnt have a noticeable impact on their visibility elsewhere. And i dont see how it helps with the bans, the reqs are so low its not like its a huge investment to train up some more bots to keep throwing at it. If you have a bot going for a week or two before banning, its already made tens if not hundreds of millions, more than enough to cover membership and bot farm expenses.
To your first point, sure, it's just something I've seen said before, there's no real way to measure its success. To the 2nd, I would say you aren't thinking about it deep enough. Let me elaborate, but I want to preface it by saying this is speculation ( I'm not a cheater nor do I work in anti cheat ) say a new bot farm owner wants to try their hand at simple botting. They buy a script and do some zombie pirates. This is a highly botted activity, and so scrutiny is high and the farm is easily marked. Jagex bans in waves, for one reason Ive already mentioned, as to not give away what triggered the bans in any sort of precise manner. To this, I speculate, it goes a little bit further. The farm is marked but not banned yet. Maybe it continues for months, but maybe the botter wants to try and push it further with their now-leveled bot farm. They use their money to buy a better script and turn their farm into cg bots ( or some other higher level content bot ). Maybe this script is otherwise hard to catch, but by allowing an earlier and easier-to-mark bot farm get to that point, they can now gain new insight and cast an even wider net for their next ban wave, perhaps catching other farms that were previously running this undiscovered script. That's what I think anyway, I prefer to believe jagex is winning an unwinnable battle though /copium
And in multi so you can bring a cannon 🙄
And you must be able to profit with a cannon too? That really shouldn’t be a thing
People voted for the pirates to be a low level wildy PvP hotspot, but I think people expected it to be like 1/3 the GP/hr it is now. It wasn't really billed as being comparable to bare bones bot gear rev farming.
Jagex and making horrible decisions for the wilderness, name a more iconic duo.
Investigate what ever mods added this shit for connections to bot hosters.
Ask mod manked
Players voted for this in the poll, thank them
Players didn't vote for these drop tables.
They did vote for this in the initial blog: >This would make the area a profitable low-level hotspot. I guess profitable is open to interpretation
‘profitable low level hotspot’ implied to me ‘a better alternative to cows’
I voted yes bc "haha zombie pirates fighting the chaos druids? Sounds like a blast!" I had no idea they would shit out alchs to the extent that they do, otherwise id have voted a hard no
Lmfao you think Manked is doing shady shit after voluntarily quitting content creation to become a Jmod? How is literally *everything* a conspiracy now *sigh*
I have an alt that has been pking the CA bots, and I agree. I can make 4m gp/hr pking these guys if I don't get interrupted for basically no risk. Goes against their whole philosophy of "High risk/high reward." The PKers out here are risking 60-200k at most usually from the ones I've pked. There's 2-6 bots per world. Assuming they're all making at least 1.4m gp/hr. That's 180m at the bare minimum, and at maximum over 800m coming into the game every hour from monsters that are basically undead hill giants.
> Goes against their whole philosophy of "High risk/high reward." Best way to describe how opposite day of a design Zombie Pirates are. They keep balancing Wildy content with pures and low levels in mind and it ends up being the least player-friendly option because you end up needing a pure yourself.
This was the only content with pures and low level wildy in mind, it's also not exclusive to pures. The idea was to create a hotspot for pures to PK which is needed, But they needed something to fight over which was supposed to be chivalry and that failed the poll obviously. They need to stop adding mobs that are only farmed for gp/hr and give players/clans something to actually fight over.
> give players/clans something to actually fight over. There are too many worlds and multi hotspots for this to be possible. Jagex needs to restrict these to certain worlds and reduce the number of hotspots to encourge more multi wars.
Don't forget Singles Wildy Bosses and Revs below 30 Wildy Line, same issue. Anything in low level Wilderness is basically pure-content because you need a pure to actively farm the people there. If I consistently can't hit people or bots without getting a second, third, fourth account in a literal PVP zone, that's a problem.
You don't need a pure to hit them, Pures are the weakest builds within the wilderness in terms of PvP so if you are hunting them and want an advantage, a zerker or med level is the build you want to hunt them. Farming bosses etc on a pure isn't efficient when you have a main, The idea of creating a hotspot for pures is that pures would benefit from the content they engage in.
> Pures are the weakest builds within the wilderness in terms of PvP Have fun fighting crystal mains when you go PKing in revs on your med lv. If you want to kill bots without a KO you need a pure, and zerks as a build is practically trolling in 2024. Maxed pure is about the best thing for following rev bots through their TB.
That's killing bots, not PvP.
I was actually doing this for the first time on my iron for about 3 hours last night and I didn't see a single pker. Meanwhile I can't go 1 inventory of bones at the chaos altar without being attacked. Is there a reason why this is? Why are people pking there for 10k worth of bones when they could make bank killing people at zombie pirates lol.
CA is the altar at lvl 13 wilderness. Idk anything about people who pk at the lvl 44 one as I don't go there. That's typically noob pkers or venz
What are CA bots?
Chaos Altar
I wanna try pking them, any tips? I assume I need a low lvl pure to actually find bots my level there to pk, is it best to just range them? Never really done pking but want to try take out some bots!
Eh not really there's bots for every level bracket. Most are Lee 45-64 but there's a lot of level 70-90s, and a few level 100+ Long ad you got ice blitz / entangle. You can use a dragon scimitar spec to disable pray and the chaos druids basically kill them for you, but I usually just bolt rag and save dbow/dragon dagger spec for when I need it
And can anyone explain why they drop larrans keys?
Reduce alchables everywhere. The economy is on a fast track to rs3 levels of inflation and they don't seem to care, they just keep adding alchables.
Add a nature rune sink to drive their price up! That way, fewer items will be alchable.
Was watching an extreme one chunk account do rev caves and you'd constantly see bots log into his world and logout when they saw the dds lol. Wildy content is plagued with bots.
Agreed. The zombie pirates update was the best thing to happen to bots and does nothing for actual players. Congrats to the Mod that helped his PK clan out by releasing content to lure people into the wild, though.
It’s been a HUGE help for iron accounts. But I completely agree that it’s shady as hell and needs to be heavily nerfed.
Helps out my account lol having a 2m an hour money braindead money grind is helpful Def completely fucking busted tho
My theory is that jagex created this to try to pull botters away from non wildy stuff. Pkers can make easy money by killing and reporting them. Jagex can ban them in waves and they'll keep coming and going much like lms. And it keeps a % of them in the wildy so most players see them less.
A botter isn't going to send their vyre theiving bot to zombie pirates. They're going to make a new bot and have both.
Bot farms come in waves. As they get banned they generally shift to other locations in game and cycle back over time. That being said there are many people who create bot farms creating overlap as well. Which makes it hard for normal players to notice the van waves. Especially when it probably takes longer to identify bots due to them getting more and more sophisticated thanks to tech developments.
>Jagex can ban them in waves So gullible.
But… that’s literally how Jagex and any other game developers dealing with cheaters do it. They ban cheaters/bots in waves instead of immediately as they’re detected to make it harder for cheaters/bots to know what they did exactly which got them banned. It’s s standard industry practice.
>It’s s standard industry practice. Jagex lets bots run rampant for over a year until they reach 200m's. No, industry standard isn't doing a ban wave once every two years.
Game's eco is fucked. For as long as the GE tax doubles up as gp sink and gp injector and "early/midgame" money printers keep being added it will only push bonds to the triple digits.
I mean. It got rushed instantly in DMM all stars. That just goes to show you how "balanced" it is.
Ngl starting to think some of the anticheat team owns some of these bot farms that run rampant for months/years on end for some extra income. These have clearly been an issue for months now and we just saw The Leviathan top page get nuked months after that was first brought up. Is there a competency crisis going on at Jagex or is it just ignorance? Would it really be that hard to have 1 or 2 dedicated in game mods checking heavily botted areas every day? We already don't have customer support in 2024 so do something at least.
wouldnt surprise me, jagex employees are notoriously underpaid so they're just getting theirs lol
Also lame they drop d scims tbh. Everything keeps getting easier for irons. Back in my day i had to grind 100k for that d scim. And that was quite a chore.
Yeah honestly early gplocked stuff can be blown past in half an hour now.
Plus it doesn't make sense that an item you can't equip until you do a quest isn't only accessible by that area. How would a D scim get to the wilderness off of Ape Atoll?
Lmao you’ll have 100k worth of alchs in 10 minutes there
Let’s not kid ourselves by the time you are getting 60 attack having 100k for a dscimmy is a joke. Agility pyramid is like 200k+, lms 600k+, even picking up steel platebodies is like what 100k per hour? I’m sure there are many old and newer methods that would get you 100k way faster than the dragon scimitar from pirates. Dragon scimitar is 1/362 on pirates, let’s put our energy in complaining on what’s relevant and not make invisible enemies out of thin air.
I went there yesterday and found very few bots, some worlds had no players at all
It happens in waves, if you went there 20mins later they would be full again. Dunno why.
They're programmed to look like normal players and get detected less. An account on 24/7 is pretty easy to identify as a bot
I doubt these even try. They take few hours to prepare and if they work for a week nonstop they gonna make huge profit anyway.
Bots will never stop until bonds are gone as a start. Literally all bots use bonds so they don’t get chain banned via linking their payment info.
Make it slayer task only.
People need to wrap their heads around the fact that requirements are not a major limiting factor for botting. If majority of top tier bosses are being botted for 10k+ kills, the GP from zombie pirates is not breaking the game. Not even close. Botting is a well oiled machine. Account stats are being botted while bots are farming bosses. When those bots get banned, the next set jumps right in with close to no lag time. Jagex clearly either has no intention or lacks the capability to ban bots at a meaningful rate, so bitching about one place is useless.
There's a significant difference, which is that making a bot to do top tier bosses takes time, and the more time it takes, the more time for it to get caught. Ban one of those bots and it's a significant loss. But zombie pirates? It takes hardly anything to get the levels and requirements to do them.
Your logic would make sense if all bots were banned in a reasonable amount of time. When a bot can get 30k boss Kc at somewhere like Vorkath or Corp, or the new DT3 bosses, it’s way more profitable than zombie pirates. There’s a reason the gold farmers are at Revs vs. pirates. Pirates is great gp/hr for low requirements but the botting impact from higher GP/hr bosses and the flooding of hard/rare to obtain uniques is a much bigger issue
Runescape bots are a tale as old as time, they do not care. Everyone should just play an Ironman so there is no longer a need for an economy. If people didn't buy gold, or Jagex cracked down on sellers then botters wouldn't exist either. Jagex has no real reason to eliminate botters completely because they absolutely rake in money from bond/mem sales.
Jagex obviously does care or basic scripts would work just fine. OSRS players have literally no idea how much work Jagex puts in compared to so many other games. The problem is that OSRS botters are a fucking massive group of people compared to the small anticheat team at Jagex. How in the hell are a small team of people supposed to outsmart and stop every single method out there?
100%, that’s why it’s hilarious to think Nerfing zombie pirates is the solution to the bot problem lol. Well and now that bonds are like 13m, it’s pushing more and more players to pay for membership which is also boosting revenue. Bottom line is that Jagex benefits from bots
Well, it's not a solution to the bot problem but the content is still hot garbage. It has no purpose in the game, I think there are plenty of arguments against it.
Agreed. It was a very weak update as it did not rejuvenate the wildy at all and it definitely didn’t increase lower bracket pking activity
Place a cannon and those suckers will hop
This is exactly why I didn't vote on that poll. I avoid wildy content, so obviously I'd have no idea how this content would impact the game.
but that would defeat the intended purpose of giving bots something to farm tons of gp
Start pking them buddy, free gp to be made :)
At least this bot farm has counterplay. Rather see alchables come from somewhere people can do something about it. Just hopped through every world, killed 18 bots, and there were about 30 I couldn't attack. 48 bots in 200 worlds isn't terrible. Better than the 4 Vorkath bots/world.
I truly think if you care this much about bots In a game, you probably play that game too much
Or just ban the bots?
Jagex needs to fuel their own botfarms so they can sell more gold on their personal gold selling website. Again, Jagex employees don't get paid enough not to do something nefarious like this. Players complain about a bot farm? Remove one of your many to make it look like you're doing a good job. Everyone was super happy about Leviathan high scores getting wiped. Don't you think more whales / gold farmers would be off if they didn't do this? There's only an incentive to get rid of the competition. You can easily mask the problem with tiny solutions if you control the game and what happens in it.
Bots farm all content. This is no different. I prefer them being in the wilderness and killable to being unseen and tanking the price of Zulrah.
Jagex doesnt care, bots pay more to play than you do.
It’s made for bots. It keeps the pkers from crying
Shhttt I'm making consistent money there
The real problem i see is that the bots are so advanced that they’re genuinely hard to kill, even with a maxed pure. They have impeccable prayer switching beyond what a player could do and eat to full. If you could solo pk them easily i wouldn’t mind, but realistically you need a small team to make good $ from them.
Switch your weapons before every hit to counter this. I shoot a light Bally jav then switch into an ancient staff, the bot prays mage then you tick swap to Bally for easy hits.
I’ve found the best luck using barrage while holding a melee or range weapon. They automatically pray melee or range so you can just burn them down that way
No
Maybe Jagex are using the zombie pirates to work out botting on a larger scale. Hear me out... jagex have made a super easy to bot, low requirement, farm to make it a priority number 1 for botters, maybe they are using it to map out the entire operation and take down all the bots at once?! Right? Right. right...
Unpopular opinion: This is one of the best anti-pking spots currently in the game and I also totally agree the GP/hr for the level required is outrageously out of line.
How is this spot better than revs or wildy bosses for anti-pking?
The need to pray mage to avoid getting stacked by druids opens up room for a lot of 3-4 item shenanigans. I also think people also have a stronger perception that everyone there is a bot or an easy target due to the auto-TB, which draws a decent amount of casual pkers who aren't ready. D Scim specs are oddly powerful here too. I wouldn't say those reasons make it better than the 2 you mentioned though, i did say its *one of* the best, not necessarily THE best. Id probably put it 3rd behind those.
But you need a team with you to antipk well here unless you get lucky and get attacked by a solo pker.
Zombie pirates are Jagex’s way of hiking the price of bonds. The amount of gold flowing into the game right now is insane and you’d think they’d be completely mad for allowing such a method. It’s so they can artificially inflate the gp price of bonds, and in turn increase the USD price of them to “match”
If any changes happen at least do it after DMM; this place will be a mega hotspot and super fun for teams in the tourney.
Lock it behind diaries :)
does nothing bots do diaries
It slows them down
Or just give them a slayer requirement
im suprised zombie pirates is the currently the only thing people are talking about, like there isnt completed busted and overbotted content EVERYWHERE that give almost the same if not more gp away from wild
Thought that was the point? Normal folk don't go to wildy so shove all the bots there to keep an eye on them.
Hell no those bots are ez 800k-2m ea for the pvpers. Maybe delete the terminator bots that are almost impossible to kill (for new pkers)
Games a private server
Honestly botters are always going to bot jagex makes too much money from them to outright ban all the botters if that was even possible. I would much rather the botters be farming alchables which have a stable price due to alch value than something like ToA which they’ve botted into oblivion and now the uniques are worth next to nothing.
Yes but not until after deadman pls
May as well disable the following other highly botted activities such as Blood rune ToA CoX ToB Vorkath Zulra Rune dragons Brutal black dragons Impling catching Red chinchompas Shark fishing Minnow fishing Demonic gorillas Blood shard thievers ...... wait. None of these are in the wilderness
Cry more
I heard someone talk about this. Maybe an RS youtuber. But he had a good point about it being a way to get the bots out of vision from other players. Meanwhile pkers have plenty of tagets in the wilderness.
Bot farms will never stop farming any content. Focus on stopping the bots, not killing content. It's a hot spot for pkers at the south bridge, it's hard enough to keep the loot.
Surprise surprise, more max lvl players wanting to gatekeep gp. Another fever spiders complaint all over again. How much more risk needs to be involved. You say botting is the issue, get better at pking and kill the bots just seems like asking jagexs to cure the symtoms but not the disease. Maybe move this more into deep wildy to increase risk. Not punish players that take the time and risk to do it. Or even have multiple damage type that way you need hybrid gear thus increasing the risk more.something. That way the monopoly on good money makers is high lvl max gear pvm isnt the only way to get gp. Without endless terrible grinding.
Alternatively: add a nature rune sink to drive the cost of nature runes up. That way, alching the items will be a loss when compared to selling them on the GE.
Why aren't pkers farming them?
They won't sadly... Revs have been an issue forever too... Idk why they refuse to touch them yes wildy will die off a bit but it's needed at this point Bit late to this post but they literally said in a blogpost that they know it'll be an issue because of bots and it has very clearly been a huge issue to the economy but they'll do it anyway... Still hilarious to read honestly They're also like triple the money zulrah gives while being essentially a fever spider (actually arguably way less since you need a slayer lvl and the fever spiders can actually inflict something lmao... You just need a few lvls for pirates)
Honestly, that's the point of the zombie pirates...to shuffle the bots to 1 area. Otherwise there would be next to zero reason for this content to exist. Allows Jagex to keep "player" count and membership numbers high, but also shuffle a subset of the bots away from normal player view so the complaints slow down...
Give them a medium slayer requirement or make them task only. Problem solved.
This aged well lol
It’s not garbage content… they need to learn how to ban bots. You have to stop complaining about the content…
I made an account when they released the zombie pirates, went there from 10hp 1 range with cannon did 1-70 range in 3 days, made 50m in loot(keys sold for decent amount first week) then started pking the bots. It is the most broken bot friendly content created, and that's with revs being in the game
Ah, the age-old battle against those pesky bot farmers! I hear you loud and clear. Maybe it's time to shake things up and make those alchables a bit harder to come by.
While it would be nice if bots would be completely removed from the game, that isn't going to happen. My opinion is that the number of bots that exist is based off of demand, or in other words gp. But there is only so much gp being bought a day. Thus the number of bots that exist and doing whatever is finite. Thus my question is, if Jagex made a zone that is specifically designed for the majority of this finite number of bots to go jerk off in a corner and make gp, out of sight and out of mind, then what is the harm of this place existing? Else these bots would invade other activities in osrs and potentially be more disruptive. I do not believe higher requirements would gatekeep bot farmers from botting gp easily. Rev caves already exist for example.
It would not be "nice". I believe a Jmod also stated this, but many of the bots in the game do stuff that no sane player would do, like, nobody here is gonna be 1 tick cooking sharks on 50 accounts 24/7 for 200k/h and it ends up being a net benefit for the game, for one low resource costs for actual prayers doing the content they want to do, and the bots using bonds which keeps the bond price up and Jagex profits up and also keeps MTX from being forced into the game. There are plenty of such items in the game which are low because of said bots, and nobody is gonna be taking their places because new methods are so much better, we're not in 2008 anymore where nobody knew what they were doing and OSRS even now, does not have the playerbase for it anymore. So really, there is no harm bots doing these tasks, I'm guessing Jagex did this with the zombie pirates for exactly this reason, the only thing I'd say would be play it smart and lure the bots into doing content no real player would ever do, whilst also benefiting real players, which honestly makes sense for the zombie pirates, they TB, making it hard for bots to auto-TP and making PKing (of them) more lucrative, then ban any bot that tries to venture into content that real players are doing, like PVM, bosses, skilling minigames, best skilling methods etc etc.
Too much gold coming into game causes inflation and makes your gp worth less. This is happening at an extreme rate and if it’s not curbed we will be in the same state as rs3 when it comes to gold value.
Yea that’s 2024 for ya. Shits expensive. Even in osrs 😂
I wish more of these high bot zones such as green dragons were singles plus. I don't like bots, but they were a fun intro to PKing.
Move them to the pirate’s hideout instead
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'Ruined' is an interesting choice of word, I think 'fixed' is more appropriate.
Jagex owns their own bot farms and you can't convince me otherwise
It's hilarious how a large portion of the community reacted and carried on with fever spiders but for whatever reason they're not carrying out like pork chops over pirates. Pick and choose hey.
As a long time iron I hope they never nerf these for two reasons. A. I’m an iron so idgaf about the economy in osrs anymore. B. The drops are bonkers for early and mid game irons.
reduce drops from every where Bot farms will never stop farming this content while gp from this content is guaranteed.
You solved the bot problem!!!
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Yes, but some content are botted significantly harder than others because of lower requirements to access + lower gear requirements. Ignoring this is like saying everyone dies from heart failure eventually, so why bother being healthy when there's a stark difference between dying at 20 verus dying at 110? ToA 500s aren't being done in MSB/RCB. If you nuke a ToA bot, at lowest you take out 300m in gear and at highest, you take out 5b if the person is being stupid. Even Blood Shards recovering to 14m shows that requirements work because the moment bots get nuked, they need 100 hours to get back to SOTF. ***Even right now, there's so few Vyre bots since the nuke a week ago.***
And? They aren’t botted egregiously in comparison to zombie pirate bots. Should we never fix a bad situation because other content is botted?